Episode 78: $280 a Month Beats a $10K Website (Here's the Math)

Offer & Delivery

Oct 21

Written By David Hoos

"What if you go from the shame to new hotness launch point, and then it just slowly gets better over time?"

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TL;DR: Key Takeaways

A website starts losing value the day it launches. The business changes and the site doesn't, so three years later the owner is embarrassed and buys a new one. Wayne calls it a reverse hockey stick.
Wayne sells the opposite line. The site launches, then gets a little better every month, for one flat subscription.
Scope creep is the product. Clients put any request in an inbox and it gets done, with no quote and no haggling. That relief is what keeps them subscribed.
He priced it by working back from lifetime value. A $10K site every 3 years is about $30K over 9 years. He launched at $280 a month, which is $30,240 over the same 9 years.
He raised the price until some prospects said no. That told him where the ceiling was, and he still added about 20 subscribers this year.
Switching cost does the retention. Hiring a web person was a lot of work, and nobody wants to do it twice.
Test for today: look at the last project you shipped. Is it worth more to the client now than on launch day, or less? If it's less, that gap is what a subscription could sell.

Does This Sound Familiar?

You finish a project and the client is thrilled. Then it's over. The invoice is paid and the phone goes quiet.

So you go back to hunting. Some months you're buried. Some months there's nothing, and summer and the holidays make it worse. You can't do marketing while you're heads down, and by the time the project ends you're starting from zero again.

Wayne Pelletier lived that cycle after he went out on his own in 2020. He found it, in his words, "incredibly stressful." So he rebuilt the offer around one question: what if the thing he delivered kept getting better after launch, and the client kept paying for that?

He sells websites. But the idea travels to any agency that ships a project and walks away.

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Meet the Guest

Wayne Pelletier is the founder of Resonant Pixel. He's been making websites since 1996 and spent years as a creative director on brands like The Home Depot, Verizon and Spanx. After a stint running a large internal agency at a public company, he went out on his own in January 2020.

Resonant Pixel builds and runs Squarespace websites on a monthly subscription. His clients are small business owners who've had a rough time with web designers before.

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Episode Summary

1. Feast and famine was the real problem

In his first year Wayne took all comers. Branding, ads, social creative, web design. Whatever his network asked for, he did. And it worked: six months in, he was tracking to the income goal he'd set with his family.

But project work has a rhythm he couldn't stand. "When the project's done, you're starting from ground 0 all over again." So he went looking for a model that smoothed out the peaks and valleys.

He'd been reading about productized services for years. He named three books that shaped it: The E-Myth, Built to Sell, and The Automatic Customer. The last one is about moving a business from project work to smaller, steady monthly billing.

2. The reverse hockey stick, and why scope creep is welcome

This is the heart of the episode. Wayne's pricing is fixed, and so is the deliverable. But he doesn't fence scope. "You actually welcome it in. You make it part of the deal."

To explain why, he drew a picture. A website launches and the owner goes from shame to celebration. Then nobody updates it. The business changes, the site doesn't, and it slowly decays for about three years. Then comes a new period of shame, a new website, and the cycle starts over.

His fix is to keep the launch spike and flip the line after it. Clients can have as many pages and forms as they want. Every request goes into a Trello inbox, moves to in progress, and lands in done. "The done column just keeps getting longer." There's no billing and no negotiating, so there's nothing stopping the client from asking.

And here's the part I didn't expect. Clients who ask for more publish more. They're active online, the site works harder for them, and they're happier with the engagement. The scope creep most agencies fight is what makes Wayne's clients successful.

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3. A niche starts in the mirror

David asked where this model works and where it doesn't. Wayne's answer started with the owner, not the market. Look at the work you're proudest of and the clients who gave you the most energy. Then pick.

He niched into a type of person, not an industry. His people are small business owners who've been burned by web designers. Many are stuck on WordPress sites that were never set up well. "They become allergic to logging in and touching it."

So he moves them to Squarespace, where the site just runs. He called WordPress "a great tool, but it's a sledgehammer," which is too much when you only need a few thumbtacks. His bigger point was about what buyers actually want. "I don't think anybody cares about the tech stack. They just want the thing to work."

"Hiring you is a massive ton of work. Nobody wants to go through that again, and that itself is its own barrier to exit."

4. The math: working back from $30K

Here's how he set the price. People buy a new website every 3 to 5 years. Call it 3. They start thinking about a new one around month 30 and start budgeting for it around month 20. So Wayne wants to be in front of them at month 18 "and remove the need for another website."

Then he did the lifetime math. His project sites ran about 10 grand each. Over 9 years that's three websites, about $30,000. So he aimed for a $30K lifetime value and backed into a monthly price. He launched at $280 a month, low because he had no subscribers yet. Hold that for 9 years and it comes to $30,240. The client never writes a big check.

He pointed to Nike and Amazon to explain the thinking. Nike will spend $800 to win a customer it knows will spend $3,000 on shoes over a lifetime. Amazon knew what each signup was worth and spent up to that line. The number you can afford to spend comes from knowing what a customer is worth over time.

I want to flag this because it's the move most project shops never make. They price the deliverable. Wayne priced the relationship, and the deliverable fell out of it.

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5. Raising the price until he heard no, and why clients stay

Wayne has raised his price since launch. Earlier this year he moved it "a little too far" and started hearing no. He called that awesome. It told him where the ceiling was, and he's since landed on a number that's working. Net of a couple of losses, he's added about 20 subscribers this year.

Prospects always ask if they're paying for the website. His answer: yes, over time. "You're gonna stay subscribed for a year, you just don't know that yet."

Churn has been rare. The few who left mostly shut their business down. And Wayne thinks the fear of churn, like the fear of niching, isn't very rational. The client had a hard time finding you. They did a ton of work to get you what you needed. Leaving means doing it all again, or admitting to their team they hired the wrong person.

6. Getting himself out of the maintenance

David asked if the model lets him take a vacation. Mostly, yes, though Wayne admits he often feels attached to the business. Two roles make it possible. One person traffics requests and handles account service, and Wayne was blunt about why: "that person needs to not be me, because I'm a mess." A designer with good judgment does the bulk of the site maintenance.

His job is to set the goals and the system, then hold people to it. Like any director, he isn't doing all the deliverables.

7. AI, repair work, and done with you

Clients now show up with long requirements docs written by their AI assistant. Wayne's first move is a call, because those docs miss context and the real fix is usually simpler.

He's also changed the offer. There are now two levels: a base "credibility starter" and a "credibility expansion" level. The second can include e-commerce, a franchise site, or now a small AI app that adds one specific job to the website.

Next on his list is repair work: "Bring me your AI design. I will fix it for you." He said the hard part comes later, when you ask the tool to change what it built. "It's like digging a hole. It just gets deeper and deeper."

And he's honest that AI could erode done-for-you work in his space. So he's planning a move to done with you, helping people use their own tools with systems he already has. One to many instead of one to one. "The process doesn't change, it's just who's doing it and how fast it gets done."

Notable Quotes

"Instead of putting barriers and penalizing scope creep, you actually welcome it in. You make it part of the deal."
"What if you go from the shame to new hotness launch point, and then it just slowly gets better over time?"
"I need to be in front of them maybe at 18 months and remove the need for another website."
"Hiring you is a massive ton of work. Nobody wants to go through that again, and that itself is its own barrier to exit."

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